I enjoy the fine arts of Akira Toriyama, the creator of the Dragon Ball manga. The Dragon Ball series has brought a lot of enjoyment to many people's lives, and has also sparked a few thoughts in said fan's minds. Thoughts ranging from, "Now, wait a minute.." to "Hey, who do you think could kick who's arse in a fight?" This is why I have decided to create a new blog. To explore some things that I have found on the internet, or have thought of myself.
Today, we explore a newest idea, roughly tracing back a year, who would win in a fight, Bills or Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. Well, in order to come to a rough conclusion, we must look at both's history and feats. Shall we begin?
Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, or abbreviated SSJ4 Gogeta, was created when Vegeta offered to do the Fusion Dnace with Goku in order to defeat Syn Shenron, who had previously absorbed the other Six Dragon Balls in order to become Omega Shenron. The fusion dance is a technique that allows two people of similar power, execute a special dance that must be done harmonically in order to create one incredibly powered being. The Super Saiyan 4 part comes in, from the fact that a Saiyan who has his tail, and access to the legendary Super Saiyan status, accidentally transforms into the Great Ape, or by looking at a Full Moon or Full Moon like object. The Great Ape must then regain control, and become a red furred, black haired Saiyan with insane amount of power. All of this exists only in the GT universe of Dragon Ball, nothing is mentioned of it in Dragon Ball Z. As such, SSJ4 Gogeta then becomes the most powerful character in GT. His traits include: Completely dominating Omega Shenron, at first with 3 hard punches that nobody could see, then with simple kicks and blows that would kill any other villain in one shot. Omega is stated to have power to threaten the entire universe, so that's one bad guy Gogeta is. However, due to wanting to rid the world of negative energy that Omega has created, Gogeta plays around in order to get the chance to do so, wasting a lot of his time that the Fusion Dance has. Normally, the Fusion Dance only lasts 30 minutes, but the more power the Fused character has, the less time they have. So, after finally ridding the world of the negative energy, Gogeta puts a good chunk of his energy into obliterating Omega with a Big Bang Kamehameha, but underestimate Omega's power, allowing him to survive. He tries another, but before he could, the fusion wears off, forcing Goku and Vegeta to resort to drastic measures.
More facts for Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta: 1. He only has a 10-15 minute time limit, as stated by Vegeta in the anime. 2. In the Dragon Ball GT Perfect Files, Gogeta is stated to be dozens of times stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku. 3. He was shown to have remarkable power and speed, completely out classing that of Omega Shenron, who has power to threaten the universe.
Bills, or Beerus, is the God of Destruction, introduced in the newest Dragon Ball Z movie "Battle of Gods". He is awakened only once every few years to destroy a random amount of planets, then is put back to sleep for a unprecedented amount of time. He has incredible power, being able to destroy a Solar System in a single shot. Bills has this fantasy, however, of wanting to fight the legendary Super Saiyan God. The Super Saiyan God is the pinnacle of a Saiyan's power, but not many people have heard about it. Soon, his master shows him footage of Goku fighting and defeating the tyrant Frieza, sparking Bills's interest in the Saiyan, hoping to be the one to fight against. He meets Goku, and issues him to a challenge, completely outclassing him in even the Super Saiyan 3 formation. With one simple karate chop to the neck, Goku is downed, barely alive. So, Beerus travels to Earth to see if anybody there knows of the Super Saiyan God, meeting the prince Vegeta and his friends. Knowing Beerus is angered easily, Vegeta tries to entertain him to keep him calm, but to no avail as Majin Buu refuses to share his food, thus enraging the God of Destruction. Gohan, Piccolo, Majin Buu, and pretty much every character begins to fight against Beerus, easily being thrown away and tossed aside like rag dolls. Vegeta puts up a much better fight, but is beaten as well, until Beerus smacks Bulma to the ground in retaliation for smacking him in the face for ruining her birthday party. Vegeta is enraged, and shows some resistance against Beerus, even drawing blood from a blow at one point. However, after Vegeta's rampage is over, Beerus is shown to be just fine, and begins to want to destroy the planet. Goku arrives, and asks Shenron how to become the Super Saiyan God. After achieving the state of Godhood, Beerus and Goku fight once more, being somewhat equally matched. After the fight, Beerus is declared winner, since Goku is completely worn out, and decides to destroy the planet again. However, being exhausted as well, Beerus only destroys a small rock and Whis happily takes him back home, to knock him out again for a few more years.
More facts on Beerus: 1. He is stated to be the second strongest character in Dragon Ball Z history, stronger than Super Vegito who previously had this title. 2. He is shown to be able to conquer even Super Saiyan 3 Goku with very little ease, and is stated to be able to destroy a Solar System in one shot. 3. Beerus knows the arts of Pressure Point finding, making it easier for him to defeat his foes.
Now, who would defeat who you may ask? Well, I believe Beerus would defeat Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta. In the Dragon Ball GT comics for "A Hero's Legacy", Vegito is stated to be as strong as Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Now, it's not stated which Vegito, it's just Vegito. This means that Beerus is stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku, in either way you look at it. But his strength can be glorified or dimmed down, based on which Vegito it is. I believe it's Base Vegito for these reasons: 1. Super Saiyan 4 is the Great Ape version of a Super Saiyan. Meaning, that it is a 500x multiplier of base form. 10x for Great Ape and 50x for Super Saiyan. This is the equivalent for 10 Super Saiyans. Vegito is formed from the Potara fusion, which adds the max power of both fusees into one character. Goku's max power was a 400x base and Vegeta's was a 100x base. Equivalent to 10 Super Saiyans. 2. Super Saiyan 4 cannot be equal to 10x Super Saiyan, as this would lead to Super Saiyan 4 being equal to 80 SSJ's and since Super Saiyan 4 Goku is equal to a form of Vegito shown in Dragon Ball Z, this cannot be correct. Also, if Goku rivaled that of his Super Saiyan 3 self in Dragon Ball Z during his transformation into Super Saiyan 4, this would multiply the 80 number by 400, further increasing the unlikely hood of being equal to Vegito. So, I believe that Base Vegito equals Super Saiyan 4 Goku. This means that Beerus is stronger than 50x SSJ4 Goku. SSJ4 Gogeta is only stated to be dozens of times stronger. It's not stated how much stronger Beerus is than Super Vegito, or how many dozens of times stronger that Gogeta is than Goku, but greater than 50x puts Beerus in a realm of incredible power. Gogeta would have to be at least 4 dozen times stronger than Goku in order to potentially rival that of Beerus. Once again, there is the 10 minute time limit. Beerus being as strong as he is, he could resist Gogeta for the time limit, then kill both Goku and Vegeta in their Super Saiyan 4 forms.
Now, if you have solid proof that Super Vegito equaled SSJ4 Goku, then let's put it this way. Beerus is still stronger than SSJ4 Goku. It's not stated how much stronger, he's just stronger. Same with Gogeta. So, this puts them in the realm of somewhat equal strength. Gogeta still has his time limit, however. In both scenarios, Gogeta does have the potential of being as strong, or perhaps stronger than Bills, but I do believe that it is highly unlikely, due to the above math, and the time limit he possesses. In the second scenario, he does have a better chance of being stronger than Bills, but this is also unlikely. Buuhan had power to threaten the universe as well, and Super Vegito toyed around with him. Also, Gogeta still has that time limit. My hands go down to Bills.
If you have an opinion on the matter, please comment on this post! I will look forward to hearing from you guys!
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